In today’s episode, Katie Allred and Kenny Jahng discuss how to start video-based small groups online.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Church Communications Podcast. We want to help you become a Church Communications expert. We understand it can be a challenging and ever-changing role because we’ve worked in the church too, which is why we built a community with over 25,000 church leaders that are ready to support and cheer you on. Your hosts for the show are Katie Allred and Kenny Jahng, who want to help equip you to reach more of your congregation and community. This is the place where we’ll talk shop with fellow practitioners and professionals about what’s working, what’s not, and what’s next. Are you ready? Let’s get started.
Kenny Jahng: This episode is brought to you by Ramsey Plus, a money plan for real life. This brand new all-access membership from Dave Ramsey’s company gives you the best of money content, tools, resources, all in one place. Now later on in the show, we’re going to talk about how your whole church or organization can get plugged in. But until then, you can start off with a free trial. Just go to Daveramsey.com/CCtrial, CC as in Church Communications. We’ve got a custom URL here, Daveramsey.com/CCtrial. Try it out for yourself. They set up this trial exclusively for our friends and family here at Church Communications.
Katie Allred: Kenny, how are you doing?
Kenny Jahng: I’m doing fantastic. This is just one of those days where I feel like the weekend is here and yet the weekend’s not here yet.
Katie Allred: It’s not here yet, but it’s trying real hard. Last night I have had, and we’ve talked about this, some disconnect of … I’m just tired of watching Netflix. It’s so funny. I have just, I don’t know, came home and I was like, “I don’t want to do what I need to do,” which is a lot of work. And I was like, “I’m just going to play guitar.” Hadn’t played guitar in 10 years and I got it out and I just shredded for hours. And it was fantastic. So have you gotten back into any old hobbies since the pandemic started?
Kenny Jahng: You know, it hasn’t been that relaxing for me, but I have been so-
Katie Allred: It hadn’t been relaxing for me either. I think I needed to relax. I think that was the problem. I think that’s why I did this.
Kenny Jahng: Yeah I’ve been able to go out more, outside endure the outdoors much more lately. It’s been hot here in Jersey this summer. So it’s been-
Katie Allred: Hot in Jersey. You don’t even know what hot is, have you been to Alabama?
Kenny Jahng: I guess that is true. That is true. We are sweltering when we’re in the 80s. If we hit 90s, it is super hot.
Katie Allred: Whatever.
Kenny Jahng: But, no it’s been good.
Katie Allred: We’ve gotten some 100s and some humidity.
Kenny Jahng: This is one of those things where I think you’re right. We need a break in the routine. And because things are just, it’s nonstop. If we don’t control the tempo and the pace, then it’s just going to ruin us. So I love the fact that you took out your guitar. We should do a live concert one day. We can do a Facebook Live for everybody.
Katie Allred: No one needs that, honestly, it’s bad. I didn’t know, I didn’t think about that before I told the internet that I do play, but terribly, like really bad. I think I need to probably take lessons. I’ve been playing since high school, but never in a formal fashion just for me mostly. And so I was like, “Yeah, that’s going to be bad.” Nobody on the internet needs to request any special requests. I only know two songs and three chords, so it’s all just worship songs. I can only play the worship songs, that’s it.
Kenny Jahng: Maybe we just get a small group together and we start playing instruments together in a small band, just three or four of us or something.
Katie Allred: On Zoom. We’ll call it the Zoom band.
Kenny Jahng: Yeah, you got the Zoomies. You have to turn it on.
Katie Allred: Oh my God. Do you remember PBS, the Zoom Show? Do you remember like come on and zoom? No?
Kenny Jahng: Yes. Well, so when this zoom started to get popular, I used to sing that song all the time and some people got it, some people didn’t. You know who your real friends are and who your real friends aren’t basically.
Katie Allred: That’s true. If they know zoom on PBS, you know that they’re a real friend because I mean, come on and zoom man and Boston, Mass. I still think about that song all the time. I can’t help it. I don’t know there’s something in me that’s just, I don’t know. It was funny I was talking to Megan Ranson the other day on Twitter and she had posted that her daughter loves the old timey Spiderman song. And I was like, “I also love the old timey Spiderman song.” I don’t know what it is. But for some reason, those songs just really take you back to a specific time and you just really get them stuck in your head for some reason.
Kenny Jahng: Is that what it is? I caught her story the other day, not that we’re camping out on Megan’s social feed. But I saw her daughter’s cute.
Katie Allred: No, we are.
Kenny Jahng: And they were playing Spiderman at 8:00 AM while making pancakes or something like that.
Katie Allred: Yeah and they were listening to the Spiderman song and she said apparently her dad loves this song and so does her daughter. And I was like, “I completely understand. I also love the song.” I sang it in class the other, like I was humming it. And it was like, I don’t know why I have this stuck in my head. But I didn’t even watch the old timey Spiderman. I have no idea how this happened.
Kenny Jahng: It is amazing how music triggers memories.
Katie Allred: Things. 100%.
Kenny Jahng: And so we’d love to know what your memories are. If you’re on one of our many platforms that this is being produced, drop a comment below and share what’s one childhood memory, music, or jingle, maybe a commercial jingle that brings back memories for you every single time?
Katie Allred: Or tweet us just very randomly.
Kenny Jahng: Yes.
Katie Allred: I would love to get at @KatieAllred. I would love to find out was your favorite jingles from your childhood, or like wishbone? Oh man what’s the story? Wishbone. That’s like oh! You didn’t learn classic literature from Wishbone.
Kenny Jahng: You’re going to get these random tweets, random YouTube links of old-
Katie Allred: I can’t wait. So, talking about old fashioned video, no. We’re going to talk about how to start small, video based small groups that is not an old fashioned thing to do. That’s a new one.
Kenny Jahng: A new thing or way.
Katie Allred: But maybe you can go back and watch some zoom episodes together, be it your small group. But we’re going to talk about how you can structure those and how to choose a platform and all that. I’m really excited about it. So Kenny, why don’t you kick us off and talk to us about how you can structure your small group that’s going to be online.
Kenny Jahng: Yeah. So we get this question a lot. How do we start video based small groups? I always say, “Look, act one of COVID in 2020 was, let’s get worship online. Let’s get their Sunday live streaming.” Everyone freaked out about that. And now we’re in act two and that is now what?
Katie Allred: Right.
Kenny Jahng: And so video based small groups is a great answer. The answer to your question is how do you actually structure a group, because it’s not exactly the same as offline groups, right?
Katie Allred: In person.
Kenny Jahng: It’s a different modality.
Katie Allred: Right. And something that I think too that people need to know about you before we can continue, is that you were an online pastor for several years.
Kenny Jahng: Yes, yes.
Katie Allred: And so you actually do know a little bit about how to do this before COVID right? So, you were doing these kind of … Yeah right. I was doing this before. It was cool. Not just cool, but required.
Kenny Jahng: Yeah. Back in the day the granddaddy of church and pastors, we always say today is like the revenge of the nerds. Right?
Katie Allred: Yes.
Kenny Jahng: And so I think structuring groups is really important. I think that’s one of those things where your groups can have success or they can be run into the ground really quickly and being intentional about what that experience is real important. So you need to have a meeting template or an agenda, if you’re running it or your leaders are running it. That’s very, very important, having a preset agenda. And you’re thinking, the way I like to explain it is think of it like a TV show. TV shows, talk shows are run in segments, right? They are these discrete segments around the clock for a show, an episode. And that’s basically what you’re doing with your small groups online is you want to think about different segments of the piece.
Kenny Jahng: In the first segment that everyone should think about, honestly is not the curriculum. It’s not the main entree. It is the icebreaker. It’s the relationship. It’s the catch-up. It’s those prompts and questions that might be different that start off the meeting and you want everyone to be conversational. And you want to make it in a way that’s conversational so that the people that potentially are more introverted or a little bit more quieter, but they have the ability to, with confidence, answer something. Right?
Katie Allred: Right.
Kenny Jahng: And so I think that’s important to focus on that first.
Katie Allred: Here’s the thing that I think everybody needs to understand about any online community, any online relationship, relationships thrive in boundaries. And so giving them structure helps them thrive. You have to have some structure. Otherwise when people show up, they’re going to be like, “What is this Zoom meeting? How long is this going to last? Do I want to really go to the Zoom meeting?” You know what I’m saying? So if they don’t have an agenda, they don’t know what they’re doing and they don’t really want to be there. What I loved about the Gwinnette church experience, I went to Gwinnette about a year ago or so, and went to church. And at the very beginning of their church experience, they said, “We’re going to be here together for, I don’t know, 95 minutes.” They said exactly.
Kenny Jahng: Yeah telling you exactly what to expect, right?
Katie Allred: Yeah and they were like, “This is what we’re going to do first. And then we’re going to do this. And then after that, we’re going to do this.” Because they didn’t have bulletins really, I don’t think. And so they’re like, “This is exactly what you can expect.” And I love that because I was like, “Oh, so I know like we’re going to get out of here at 12:05 on the dot.” And so that’s the same thing for online stuff. People just expect that it’s going to go on and on. So they don’t really want to do it because they don’t know what to expect. You really got to give them an agenda so that they know what to show up for and what they’re showing up for and what they’re going to learn and what they’re going to experience. Otherwise, they’re like what is in this for me?
Katie Allred: Because at the end of the day, people only care about themselves. They don’t really care about you and they don’t really care that you need your small groups to thrive. Yeah, you totally do. And the community, church exists in these small groups. Church thrives because of small groups. But you have to give a reason for the person to thrive as well. And so in order to do that, I really think you’ve got to set up these agendas. Otherwise, you’re confusing people and then you’re losing them. And so we’ve just got to be really clear about what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.
Kenny Jahng: Absolutely. I think the other part with online groups also, Katie is part of that agenda is you don’t need to focus all the time of actually consuming the content together. This is one of those things where you have to respect the medium. And so it’s not necessarily the best. Everyone’s time is so precious today, right?
Katie Allred: Right, right.
Kenny Jahng: You want to respect people. And so if you’re using video curriculum, one thing that I really suggest you test out is what we call flip the script. It’s like what Khan Academy did with teaching where put the recording offline, let them watch it offline. And then when you come together, do what’s most important. What’s most valuable when we are meeting together virtually just like this over Zoom.
Katie Allred: Right.
Kenny Jahng: It’s our discussion and interactions together.
Katie Allred: Yeah. It’s a flipped classroom. If you want to learn about that-
Kenny Jahng: And then come home and discuss.
Katie Allred: Right. So yeah. Watch the content offline. Sorry I interrupted you. Watch the content offline and then come back and discuss because the time together is where you should discuss. Don’t come together and watch something together. That’s just weird to watch each other through screens while you’re all watching something, like that’s weird. Nobody wants to do that. I teach now. So I teach hybrid now. I teach both online or blended, I don’t even know, high flex. I don’t know. It’s where I teach both in-person and online at the exact same time. And to keep the entertainment going for both where they are actually engaged in what they’re learning, they really have to have read and done the other reading because it’s really a discussion. I’m trying to discuss this topic with them, not just present all the relevant information.
Katie Allred: So it does make the classroom so much more interesting and exciting when people have done a little bit of homework. But they can still join in on the discussion even if they don’t do the homework. I think that’s the important part is that I think it’s like the 80-20 rule. Probably 80% of people won’t do the homework, but at least 20% of people will. And those 20% of people will help you feed those questions and help people go, “Oh, maybe I should watch that.”
Kenny Jahng: We were hoping it’s the opposite, that 80% actually do the homework.
Katie Allred: We’re hoping it’s the opposite, but I’m being honest about what’s going on in a classroom setting. In normal life I expect that 80% of my kids really didn’t read and that 20% did and I know who those 20% are. I can point them out in a classroom and tell you, “Oh, that kid, definitely read. That kid definitely did not.” But, yeah.
Kenny Jahng: I think that we’re just calling it like it really is, right? We’re telling it like it is.
Katie Allred: Oh, we should just be honest about it. There’s absolutely no reason to flatter people about what they’re going to do. It’s just the truth.
Kenny Jahng: Every church leader knows what you’re exactly … any person who’s led a small group or been in the small group knows exactly what you’re talking about.
Katie Allred: Right?
Kenny Jahng: Now, let’s talk about technology because that’s the second thing in terms of learning how to start video based small groups. Technology, there’s so many options out there. Katie, can you just walk us through say the top three or four popular, most popular things that people should be considering?
Katie Allred: Okay. Sure. So there’s Zoom, which is what we’re on right now. Zoom is a great one and I have no holds back about it. It does have a cost that comes with it. It has breakout rooms. It has some ways to give non-auditory feedback, which I like, like thumbs-up and applause those things, which is really handy. If you’re watching this, Kenny is doing some of those. And then there’s also Microsoft Teams, which is a great option if your church uses Office 365 already, because it’s offered with that. It’s definitely not as user-friendly or easy to get started for most people. Most people already know how to use Zoom because they had to figure it out during the pandemic. But that’s an option. Even Skype is an option, which is also owned by Microsoft. So don’t throw out Skype just because it’s older.
Katie Allred: There’s also Facebook. So Facebook offers groups, but then they also offer messenger rooms that just happened during the pandemic. They offer these messenger rooms where you can grab a link to the messenger room, have everybody join it. I don’t think there’s any really great way to record it yet. They have a new feature coming out soon where you can put that live group as a live into a group or whatever. But that hasn’t happened yet. So, just watch it though because I think there’s so much more to come from Facebook, with groups and with messenger rooms. And I don’t think, don’t discount it. Because the platform you choose will also speak into how people relate and how dynamic it is. For me, if I think of a Zoom group, I think of a group that’s probably going to end after the pandemic.
Katie Allred: But a Facebook group, I think this is going to continue lasting forever. You could use Zoom with Facebook by scheduling and that stuff. But anyways, that’s just an idea. And then there’s Google Hangouts. Okay, so Google Hangouts are still really viable. There’s a Google Meet, which is a little different. But Google Hangouts is still a really easy and great platform. If. Zoom goes down it’s usually my backup. And so yeah, check out Google Hangout and see if it would work for your team or for your group. I think it might be a good option. So Kenny, after we decide our platform, we decide our structure, I think we have to do a little bit of leader training. So what does leader training look like?
Kenny Jahng: So this is I think so, so, so critical. This is something you cannot miss and you need to be a little bit more intentional with online groups than offline groups. So there’s basically one big thing is you need to set expectations. You need to share with the leaders what they’re going to face. So both the up side and then the challenges as well and how to overcome those things. And so that type of planning and equipping is going to make sure that they’re positioned for success.
Kenny Jahng: The one thing that you can help them upfront is share with them some tips for how to actually recruit and gather attendees. Getting them and you might be what we call, what we do is we call it swipe files. You might pre-write some emails or some text messages that they can copy paste, swipe it, and then personalize it and use it as their on. Basically ghost write stuff for them that they can send out to their group members so that they’re reminded, “Hey, we’re meeting on Friday or if you have any questions.” Or even teaching your leaders to make personal calls throughout the week to touch base.
Katie Allred: Right.
Kenny Jahng: Those little things, don’t just assume that your leaders know what to do. And then contextualizing that all for online, because we’re all remote. We’re not seeing each other on Sundays in person, is really important.
Katie Allred: Yeah, I completely agree. And so how do we, after that, after we’ve set our training and we figured out how we’re going to reach new people to use this for small groups, I guess the next question is, how do we launch this thing?
Kenny Jahng: Yeah.
Katie Allred: So I know that we’ve talked about in the past that you should be using email marketing, texting. There should be some ads. So exactly what do you mean when we talk about using email for marketing?
Kenny Jahng: Yeah. So I think the email is still the killer app across all the devices, channels, and options that you have.
Katie Allred: Yeah.
Kenny Jahng: And so making sure that you’re able to nurture audiences and point them to here’s some groups that are starting up and then basically each email in a series of emails that you’re able to send to your congregation or other lists that you’re developing if you’re doing any outside advertising, et cetera, is going through things such as what’s the problem and what’s the solution?
Katie Allred: Right.
Kenny Jahng: What are we doing with this season of small group curriculum? So problem solution. Another one might be explaining FAQ’s like, how are we going to meet? What technology are we going to have? Is there a lot of reading? How much time are you expecting me to do for homework outside of the group? Can I bring a friend or do what happens if I miss one or two meetings, I’ve got a conflict.
Katie Allred: Right.
Kenny Jahng: So all those FAQ’s is another, and then another one might be objection handling. Another email just confronting the issues that prevent people. I don’t have enough time or I’ve got kids in the house, or I’m not well-versed, I’m shy. I don’t like talking. Right? All these objections. What are those objections? You can tackle one or two of them in emails. Things like that. I think that’s what you want to do with email in terms of, you’re trying to have a conversation. Nurture them to help them make the decision to join the group.
Katie Allred: Right. So, the first one you said was advise or face the objections that people have. What else should they send out? So maybe do a drip campaign, right? So the first one is what are the objections and then what’s next?
Kenny Jahng: Yeah. Again, I think you could just brainstorm in conversation if you had with somebody, what are the different things that you would discuss? So the first email I think is just announcing what it is. Just a straight here are the facts. That’s a here are the facts email.
Katie Allred: Right.
Kenny Jahng: I think the second one is problem solution. So it’s literally saying, “We’re going to talk about getting out of debt and literally there’s six, nine lessons and here are what the topics of the nine lessons if you’re interested.” Or we’re going to talk about parenting. We’re going to talk about relationships. We’re going to talk about anger. We’re going to talk, whatever it is, problem solution. The third email I think, is an FAQ email. Go through just list 10 questions. We thought that you have questions about this. I would love to answer any questions, but here’s some 10 common questions you might have.
Katie Allred: Right.
Kenny Jahng: And list the QA, QA, QA email. And then the last one would be an objections email, just saying, “Hey, there’s some challenges. I understand it might be challenging to you,”-
Katie Allred: For sure.
Kenny Jahng: … “to join a group right now. Here’s why I think it’s really important.” And then explain the answers to those. So those are the first couple of emails that I would pre-write-
Katie Allred: Send.
Kenny Jahng: … and then schedule whether you’re using MailChimp or Drip, or active campaign, whatever your church is using.
Katie Allred: Gold.
Kenny Jahng: You could just basically program them out to be sent out one after the other.
Katie Allred: Man, I hope somebody took some notes.
Kenny Jahng: Well, okay. Let’s talk about notes here because you are a Ninja for social media.
Katie Allred: Am I?
Kenny Jahng: How often should they be talking about these groups about recruiting for groups and what’s the positioning?
Katie Allred: Yeah. How should they do it? I really do think a lot of times that the page really isn’t about … it’s not a billboard, right? It’s not really communicating. I don’t think creating things that are communicating again and again, “Hey, we’ve got small groups coming up. Hey, we got small groups coming up.” I don’t think … I feel like that’s just noise.
Kenny Jahng: Yes, I agree.
Katie Allred: So if you can maybe create video testimonials of people who have been in small groups and how those groups have affected them and then direct them to a call to action of signing up online.Tthat would probably be the best thing to do for your page and then run ads through that. And then if I was going to do other things just on our page, I would think about, I don’t know maybe doing a giveaway for the book, for the curriculum that you’re going to do. Say, “Hey, we got this small group coming up. We’re going to be covering Dave Ramsey’s Financial Peace University. If you want to win a free copy of it, comment below and we will enter you to win or whatever.
Katie Allred: And so that’s a great way to get a lot of traction on your Facebook page, as well as get people interested. You know what you can do is set up a bot. Facebook messenger has bots for pages and everybody who comments below you can have them automatically send them a message and say, “Hey, thanks for entering to win our giveaway. Here’s some more information about the small group that we have coming up covering Dave Ramsey’s Financial Peace University. We would love to have you. Actually, here’s a discount for joining or whatever. And so I don’t know, that’s just an interesting funnel, a different way of doing it, I think than churches typically do, which is join our thing, join our thing, join our thing, come to our thing. Don’t get me wrong-
Kenny Jahng: I’ve never heard that before Katie. I’ve never seen a church just keep on repeating.
Katie Allred: Dan, I do that. I say that because it was me. I’ll only pick on these people because I was that person or because that’s all the church wanted for me was to say this and do it the same old way over and over and over again. And I kept saying, “This is not how social media works. Social media is a conversation. We have to figure out how do we create engaging conversations.” So another thing you could do is simply say like, “Drop a Gif of your financial status right now.” I don’t know and see what people are dropping. Say, “Hey, we got this small group coming up. We would love to have you regardless of your financial status. Right? We want it to help you whatever you are.
Kenny Jahng: I love it.
Katie Allred: If you’re in a season of wealth or not.
Kenny Jahng: Those post would go nuts. Right? People would just-
Katie Allred: Yeah, people would be very confused because it’s coming from a church. It’s almost like a heated little thing. I was like, I don’t know. That could go wrong, but it could also be really great.
Kenny Jahng: So yeah. Social media is definitely a must. And I think that is the point here is that get off that repetitious cycle of just asking, asking, asking, and you got to engage in conversations, right?
Katie Allred: Right, over and over again.
Kenny Jahng: And so that’s the key. Now I actually think this is a little bit odd from two of us being digitally native. We live in the world of social and digital. But the number one way that you’re actually going to grow and recruit people to group, new people especially in your community, is to get your small group members, your small group leaders, your attendees, to actually personally invite their friends, family, teachers, coaches, dentists, everybody that they know in town, right. That’s that’s the number one strategy.
Katie Allred: Right, yeah. It’s definitely referrals. I mean, it’s just like in business, where the best thing in business is to get a referral from someone who worked with you before. Those convert better. And it’s the same way with in-person, with getting people to come to church, to come to a small group, to accept Jesus is through a personal relationship that you have with somebody. And so how do you get people to do that? Well, you have to ask them to because if you don’t ask them to share or to help you recruit for this, they’re not going to. Ask and you shall receive, right? So you got to give people some call to action to help them refer people.
Kenny Jahng: Absolutely. I like to say it’s the one, two, one punch. So one is the first step is get everything out there on social. Create the assets, create the email, create out the social media, create the ads. Number two is get your people to actually ask their friends and family. And then what’s going to happen is they’re going to go back and check you out, back to the step one, all the stuff that you’ve published and you need that whole formula one, two, one. It needs to be put the stuff out there, get your friends to ask, and then it’s going to come back and then when they come back and be ready to engage, answer questions, encourage, reel them in. But you got to ask people. At the end of the day it’s you’re asking your people to ask their friends.
Katie Allred: Yep, you got to ask.
Kenny Jahng: Well then we got four tips or four strategies for how to start video-based small groups, Katie. Why don’t you like summarize just for everybody as we close out the show here, the four different steps or tips for how to start video small groups.
Katie Allred: Okay. All right. So the first one is structure’s important. Pick your structure. Two, pick a platform that everybody uses or already knows. Three, you must train your leaders. Don’t assume that they know what they’re doing. And four, be intentional. Use multiple ways to get the word out. So figure out different ways like we just talked about. Email, social media, ads, getting referrals, asking your attendees to refer other people to the group. You’ve got to do these four things and you’re going to get your video-based small groups off to the races.
Kenny Jahng: Absolutely. Off to the races, off the chain. Right? So one of the options for video content, everyone asks then Video-based groups, what do we use for video content? There’s a lot of emerging content-
Katie Allred: So much content out there.
Kenny Jahng: … out there. But our friends over at Ramsey Plus, they are really ahead of the curve. They’re putting everything online into this package and platform called Ramsey Plus. And so here’s how to learn more about what they have to offer, right? And first of all, just unfortunately money problems are just one of those things people seem to struggle with all stages of life. And they always think that when I get a new job or that next raise, or when I hit a certain age or I won’t worry about money anymore. But it really doesn’t work that way. And so we have to understand people need help and the churches should be there to help them.
Kenny Jahng: So with Ramsey Plus, basically you’re giving your church organization the tools that your people need in your community to budget, save, basically take control of all their money and it’s easier than ever because Financial Peace University is all digital. It’s online in this Ramsey Plus package and there’s actually so much more involved. So to learn more, you can watch a demo webinar that the Ramsey Plus team has agreed, we’ve asked them to pull this together for us for communicators like you. Just go to Daveramsey.com/CCwebinar. CC is for Church Communications. So go to Ramsey, sorry Dave Ramsey. I always get them messed up. I always go to his last name first. The website is Daveramsey.com/CCwebinar and you’ll get signed up for that demo video. You’ll see a tour of what we’re talking about and I think you’ll be much more encouraged about starting your video-based small groups once you see everything that they have on this platform. Well Katie, that’s all we have for today. Really appreciate the time that we’re actually doing step by step, rolling out the plans for people.
Katie Allred: Yeah.
Kenny Jahng: Hopefully people will take advantage of what we’ve [inaudible 00:29:35] today.
Katie Allred: For sure. Thanks for joining us. If you’re listening to this, go and give us five stars on iTunes. Go and like it on the Facebook page or the group. We are so grateful for you. You are our community and we love you and we can’t wait to see you next time.
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